Accordint to the Bible we were *all* created in the image of God, and that was perfect. Perfection leaves no choice.
CG
my mum used to be a jw, she was baptised after about 3 years and carried on for about another 2. she first started taking me to the meetings when i was about 8, and carried on week after week until she was disfellowshipped (she went a bit mad and left home, but that's by the by).
the point is im 21 now and trying to make sense of the stuff i was brought up with for 5 years.
if anyone could shed light on one or two things i'd be most grateful (and some of it i might have wrong anyway).. - before noah's flood, all animals were vegetarian.
Accordint to the Bible we were *all* created in the image of God, and that was perfect. Perfection leaves no choice.
CG
i know of very few that would "dare" tell off a co but elders were different.
having been an elder for many years, it was very easy to go back and forth with a fellow elder and basically tell him he was dumb.
I have always done it in with deep respect and submissiveness.
Blondie: I'm sure you did. With all your references backing you. <grin>
CG
my daughter has been 'going out' with a black gentleman for the last year.
they are very much in love by the looks of things and have long term plans.. however, opposition has recently come from somewhere i did not expect.
it turns out that he has been very upset with his mother since she made several unpleasant remarks to him.
Despite what "politically correct" commentaries exist on television, newspapers, or the Internet, we *all* are victims or perpetrators of race discrimination in one way or another. I think to villainize it is wrong. To acknowledge and go forward with knowledge is a good thing; to talk about it makes it real, and subject to discussion, which is always a good thing. It's not good to just look at a thing like this and say "Well, that's totally wrong."
What a person feels as a result of the way they were raised, or the way they think, is not a bad thing. To challenge those beliefs with knowledge and experience is something of a challenge, but can be accomplished, and can achieve good results.
My own Papa was against me marrying anyone but an Anglo. To me, that meant nobody black skinned. Carribean, Spanish, whatever. As long as they weren't black. I married a Hispanic male. He didn't LIKE it, but he, as well as my family, learned to love him. We had a child and my family adores him. So, really, even though it caused problems in the initial engagement.. everything worked out.
CG
"a right to speak freely is not the same as a right to be heard" discuss.
Follow the money.
Where the money is, that's where Freedom of Speech shall be found. Money talks, bullsh*t walks, as the saying goes.
CG
how did you feel when you met the person in public that you were shunning?
what were you thinking as you were shunning the person?
did you think about what other witnesses were thinking if you did not want to shun the person?
It's strange how pretty much all of us feel this way. This seems to be the one area that pretty much everyone on this site is in agreement with. Regardless of religious beliefs, I don't think that there is anyone on this site that feels good about the shunning they did in the past. When I think about how I shunned certain relatives for several years, I feel terrible.
Arthur, if I could take back everything I ever did as a Witness, I would. I feel so bad. I did some pretty awful stuff. I am a born again Christian. I know most people on this board hate organized re;igion as a result of the Witnesses. i don't blame them. It was awful what we did as CHRISTIANS, and we weren't even saved. I hate that.
I just hope that I can find all the people I shunned and just hug them.
CG
i am so sick of this woman, and her fame for simply being born into a rich family.
i am just waiting for the day that we get to see her name in the obituary and not on the front of some magazine to say what a great thing she has done, when she found a lost dog.
i actually like the movie, "house of wax", as it does allow you to see some damage done to this woman.
Really,
people should just do want they want to do. Isn't that what we are all striving for after being in the Witnesses?
It's funny how we're all honking around here to let people just be people and do what they wanna do, let's be free, and let's do all this stuff... and when the subject comes up of Paris Hilton all of a sudden people are passing judgment on her and yakkin around about her faults... passing judgment.. and saying "Well, it's because she's RICH she gets away with all this stuff." So what if she's rich? There's rich people in the world and there's poor people. Your poor, she's rich... and? Just because she's rich doesn't make her less entitled to what you're entitled to, and just because you are poor doesn't make you more entitled to what she's entitled to. If you were rich, you'd probably do the same thing. That's just how she is.
Just because she's rich doesn't obligate her to act like she's poor to be politcally correct. She's rich, she acts like it, and what is the point? Do you want her to act poor so that she fits in with the rest of the world? Admittedly.. her world is NOT our world.. but ;let her live in the world she lives in. She is entitlted to it because that's just where it is. Do you want her to be a fake and pretend she is poor? That's worse than if she just keeps on beiung Paris Hilton.
So give up complaining on her. She's just dong what rich people do best: basking in her own glory.
CG
how did you feel when you met the person in public that you were shunning?
what were you thinking as you were shunning the person?
did you think about what other witnesses were thinking if you did not want to shun the person?
I know this may sound stupid because most people on here don't believe in religion, or Christ, or whatever, but when I was a Witness I actually didn't feel ANYTHING toward the shunned person. I just felt they were OUT of the inner circle so they were gone. That's how far down my humanity had gotten.
Later, I felt like crap. I was born again, and started to realize what the life of Christ was, and itmade me feel bad for what I had done/said in my earlier life. I felt absolutely crappy. I couldn't aplogize to EVERYONE becase they had gone somewhere else and I didn't know where they were, but to all those I harmed, I am so sorry, and I really am sorry that I made you feel bad.
CG
i am so sick of this woman, and her fame for simply being born into a rich family.
i am just waiting for the day that we get to see her name in the obituary and not on the front of some magazine to say what a great thing she has done, when she found a lost dog.
i actually like the movie, "house of wax", as it does allow you to see some damage done to this woman.
I don't care if she is the richest person in history. My point is, it just wasn't enough for her. She had to thrust herself into the public eye.
So what is wrong with that? There are plenty of people that thrust themselves into the public eye, into history, with no reason whatsoever. I am not sure why she should be less entitled to do so, just because she is rich.
Look at this freak John Mark Karr that said he killed JonBenet Ramsey. He's just a guy from nowhere that is all of a sudden says he killed a little American girl, and he is all OVER THE NEWS.
That's the media's fault no dount. So here comes this post talking down about Paris Hilton because she's just RICH and she's in the news all the time. She didn't ask fo rit, she was BORN into it. So why shouldn't she work it to her advantage? It's all about making money, that's it.
CG
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060905/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_britain_telepathy
has anyone ever experienced this?
i have, as well as with emails and especially text messages.. do you think there's any chance this could be real-that there is a valid, unspoken connection between people who reach out to each other?
Sure. Happens to me all the time. I don't think it's surprising, really. You think about the people that you care about most in the world, and they think about you, and then then call you.
CG
i sent my mum an e-mail the other day to let her know about steve irwin's tragic accident.
this morning i got her reply:he will thrive in the new system when he will be able to get up close and personal with all wild creatures without fear.
tis really sad as he was a good genuine man.. .
They all believe that all those that die before Armagheddon will be in the new Paradise, those that weren't baptized in the JW's <I think>.
But seriously.. do you think Steve Irwin.. the guy that we all knew and loved.. would be happy in a Paradise Earth with a bunch of Hoovers? As far as I know .. they do not believe in taking risks. He'll be able to swim with the fishes, as long as he can get to the meetings, and get in enough time to clean up dead bodies, farm a couple of acres, and welcome a few people out of their graves. not to mention farm for his family, raise some livestock, and tend to the millions of other things a rural life relies on: milking cows; feeding them, watering his crops, picking, cultivating, etc..
For me, I'd rather just die. I don't want to live with tens of thousands of brain dead zombies serving a God that wiped out 3/4 of the population of the earth. I'd rather be dead. I used to WANT to pet a lion, and hang out with it. I don't want any of the animals to change. In the New Earth, apparently, they will be all friendly and stuff, and they will just hang out with humans and we can pet em. I don't want anything to change. I like the animals as they are.. they are just fine. They are interesting and beautiful AS THEY ARE. That's what makes them so special, they each have their own culture and lifestyle. As it should be. I don't want the Earth to change. I don't want to hang out with wildlife.. I want to watch them from afar and admire their exotic beauty and them chillin and doing what they do. If they were like ME, they'd be boring. I don't think God wants that.
CG